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Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Crockett » Jan 7th, '18, 15:30

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If they can barely sell 200 copies anyway, then there is something else terribly wrong, not piracy.
I'm just guessing how low popularity must have Space-synth comparing with Italo Disco and Eurobeat. A special limited series of 140 copies of Laserdance "Force Of Order" is still available so probably I'm not far from presented numbers.

Whereas what distinguishes contemporary SEB ? How many real clients got 1 among 7 labels ?

~14 % share in a CD compilation being able to reach average 300-600 sold copies according to Oricon, is much greater tragedy than assured even 200 own albums.


In Eurobeat appeared several groups of fans having contradictory needs, habits taken from their domestic markets with ignoration towards european and japanese style of releasing the music. Imaginary visions of Eurobeat, rebellious attitudes towards artists and tradition are almost impossible to solve.

Rehashed scene of 80's dance genres plays in a simple game. A little marketing and people go to stores for a record. The end.

The risk and unlikely success might be just not worthy if you're inside and you know well the 80's community, which is predictable. Isn't better to keep very few fanatic, permanent listeners than fight for the problematic audience ?

Now the results for Italo Disco and Eurobeat have became equal, I consider really from 200 to 500 maximum sold copies in a wider period of time. With this difference that the first one still has all customers appreciating the past way, what gives the stability and real support.

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Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by xiao » Jan 8th, '18, 18:32

Crockett wrote:
Jan 7th, '18, 15:30
In Eurobeat appeared several groups of fans having contradictory needs, habits taken from their domestic markets with ignoration towards european and japanese style of releasing the music. Imaginary visions of Eurobeat, rebellious attitudes towards artists and tradition are almost impossible to solve.
Mozart rebelled against the system - Elvis rebelled against society - The Beatles rebelled against their forebearers - Madonna rebelled against the sexual norms - Radiorama rebelled against the rules - Metallica rebelled against conservatives - NWA rebelled against police - Michael Jackson rebelled against racism & exclusivity - Gackt rebelled against Japanese society - and the story continues w/ new generations ..

Respect is earned not demanded.

Millennials are simply rebelling against you ~ failure to adapt to the ever changing youth of the world will simply result .. like SEB.

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Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Anthony McBazooka » Jan 8th, '18, 19:45

xiao wrote:
Jan 8th, '18, 18:32
Crockett wrote:
Jan 7th, '18, 15:30
In Eurobeat appeared several groups of fans having contradictory needs, habits taken from their domestic markets with ignoration towards european and japanese style of releasing the music. Imaginary visions of Eurobeat, rebellious attitudes towards artists and tradition are almost impossible to solve.
Mozart rebelled against the system - Elvis rebelled against society - The Beatles rebelled against their forebearers - Madonna rebelled against the sexual norms - Radiorama rebelled against the rules - Metallica rebelled against conservatives - NWA rebelled against police - Michael Jackson rebelled against racism & exclusivity - Gackt rebelled against Japanese society - and the story continues w/ new generations ..

Respect is earned not demanded.

Millennials are simply rebelling against you ~ failure to adapt to the ever changing youth of the world will simply result .. like SEB.
Yes, and I also didn't say that with lack of respect but quite the opposite. If they want Eurobeat to be a thing, there is a way, not adapting to musical trends but at least adapting to marketing trends. Or be the avant-garde, without looking for commercial success, that would be cool, too (but you need to bei either privileged or willing to make sacrifices for that). But trying to be commercial and failing, because adapting to the current market situation is being rejected, is rather pretty sad.
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Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Crockett » Jan 8th, '18, 22:42

xiao wrote:
Jan 8th, '18, 18:32
Millennials are simply rebelling against you ~ failure to adapt to the ever changing youth of the world will simply result .. like SEB.
Younger producers, all labels which participated or continued Eurobeat when it was on the level of barely few thousands, hundreds of sold copies, never catched up even the shadow of former "Big 3". Japanese rejected the sound deprived beauty and soul and it's over. The fraud has ended when we found out the sales result.

The forerunners, over 40, 50, 60 years old artists are in your opinion still obligated to prove the talent or fix the long-term tragical reality of Eurobeat by putting extra efforts and doing new tasks ?

Fans during long decades paid for music like for any other goods, they were happy, artists were supported and could express by this their real majesty.

Have you ever considered that such mature artists might really prefer 200-300 people who don't flood Facebook and forums regrets, and order records in advance, not knowing the contents ?

Who isn't able to sell vinyls, CDs and count on lasting respect after 30 years with or without news, will be same successful like Eurobeat over last years, in the virtual world, where the fake success determine numbers of views, likes, comments and ParaPara videos - unreal, useless, only satisfaction.

Serious even niche artist shall wade into it instead searching for alternative, for example in 80's revival ?

Garrulous about the future, full of advices, hidden under nicknames enthusiasts of modern Eurobeat missed the best times and they simply ignore it, deny the history, are the most lazy in case of promotion. They only require by force that these older already artists repeat this all again. For addition in these wishes are included demands "Do this like I want or I will be offended".

Look, although Aleph disappeared from the european market around 1990, he can easy find listeners.

Definitely love and loyality towards the genre doesn't rely on enforced releasing news in a specified time or ever yet.

Better stuck in the glory of the past than convince the community that artist is owed something next generations and should adjust.

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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Lebon14 » Jan 9th, '18, 01:35

You're like an ostrich, crockett. Your head in the sand is your vision; the rest of your body is reality.
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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Anthony McBazooka » Jan 9th, '18, 07:35

Crockett, we weren't talking about how they should adapt musically but in terms of marketing. It's not the artists' fault, it's the fault of the marketing department. And there is no excuse for that.
Flashback Records plays an entirely different game than Avex. They're not limiting it to any market, you can order vinyls from worldwide and they don't put a adhesion contract on their artists making it impossible for them to promote their music in any other way than through the label. They don't forbid their artists to make music in the same style besides their contractual works. Maybe that is why the “80s revival” works. There are other intelligent Synthwave labels who do an awesome job on promoting the songs as well.
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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Crockett » Jan 9th, '18, 14:12

Anthony McBazooka wrote:
Jan 9th, '18, 07:35
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Lebon14 wrote:
Jan 9th, '18, 01:35
You're like an ostrich, crockett. Your head in the sand is your vision; the rest of your body is reality.
But where is the reality you affirm that exist ? It's your dream only.

The reality hasn't changed so far. Nobody used the contemporary method of distribution either marketing in Eurobeat yet.

So please consider a few ways I described earlier. Maybe producers aren't ready, they have no willings, they prefer old small audience, the time and private life limit them only to keep the genre on old rules.

What revival of Eurobeat might be expected together with new challenges you give the artists ? Some things and people never back, especially if all you suggest is to open the market, not work on music core.

You waste the energy for being advocate of 90% current international fans that anyway will not be the same loyal clients like older generations were. You poison your passion by the imaginations how the future will be. There is no more place for taste a song, because one of the commercialism feature is pursuit for news.

Eurobeat is enough mature, rich and successful and if no one can't or doesn't want mix this with the new reality, what you fight for ?

All what I want is to say, please reconcile with the present, appreciate so much you already got from Eurobeat.
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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Bore » Jan 9th, '18, 14:19

Now just hold up a bit. Please don't get around to fighting over opinions that are obviously not going to change (again). Agree to disagree preferably. This route is one we've gone through before and it never leads anywhere good.

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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by sethreed » Jan 9th, '18, 15:43

Crockett wrote:
Jan 9th, '18, 14:12
All what I want is to say, please reconcile with the present, appreciate so much you already got from Eurobeat.
No.

I appreciate what I got from the artists. But I will complain about everything that I disagree.
I can't say anything more than that. You can accept everything you like.. But do not enforce this to any of us. Or assume you're living the present and we are stuck on the past.
I don't know if this is self boasting because you think you are always right or self loathing for accepting anything blindly.

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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Crockett » Jan 9th, '18, 16:44

sethreed wrote:
Jan 9th, '18, 15:43
But I will complain about everything that I disagree.

I can't say anything more than that. You can accept everything you like..

I don't know if this is self boasting because you think you are always right or self loathing for accepting anything blindly.
If some artists feel better to realize passion and work without changes or even doing nothing already, with this attitude not accepting the world, you will anyway remain malcontent, and with the same text you will back here after next 10 years.

You can always show me when I was wrong. All pain due to my statements is that my right is shocking negatively rate of situation, just collision with imposed craps from the internet by people who missed 20 years of the genre.

I didn't need sales result to find out on my own how much Eurobeat became weak in 2000's.

So to be not passive, you can always establish your label or start cooperation with young producers. I'm also curious what you have done useful as a fan to promote, support this music. Probably zero because you wait for news and revolution when artists simultaneously decide what they do with their own life, discography and to who sell it... without complaining.

Nobody who appreciate hundreds of records and thousands of Eurobeat songs will be not so angry about the future.

Instead of say "Thank you", I hear "Sit at the studio and release 300 SEB on iTunes, not CD."

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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by sethreed » Jan 9th, '18, 17:11

I removed the bold sections so I can show what I said before:
Crockett wrote:
Jan 9th, '18, 16:44

If some artists feel better to realize passion and work without changes or even doing nothing already, with this attitude not accepting the world, you will anyway remain malcontent, and with the same text you will back here after next 10 years.

You can always show me when I was wrong. All pain due to my statements is that my right is shocking negatively rate of situation, just collision with imposed craps from the internet by people who missed 20 years of the genre.

I didn't need sales result to find out on my own how much Eurobeat became weak in 2000's.

So to be not passive, you can always establish your label or start cooperation with young producers. I'm also curious what you have done useful as a fan to promote, support this music. Probably zero because you wait for news and revolution when artists simultaneously decide what they do with their own life, discography and to who sell it... without complaining.

Nobody who appreciate hundreds of records and thousands of Eurobeat songs will be not so angry about the future, something what haven't came yet.
Self-boasting Itallic
Self-loathing Bold

And specially THIS part:
I'm also curious what you have done useful as a fan to promote, support this music. Probably zero because you wait for news
Now you're self-centered too. Nobody is a fan based on what YOU think is a fan.
I'm not going to explain myself, nor ANYONE.

I'll not answer anymore. I'm done with this.

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Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by para_rigby » Jan 9th, '18, 17:29

I think this thread needs to be locked at this point.

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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Crockett » Jan 9th, '18, 17:50

Again the same. You still can't prove nothing so you started a psychological game. :)

You have no arguments, willings to understand artists, therefore respect for their own decisions. You have no materials about Eurobeat, so no proofs, knowledge from reliable sources, you swallow any rumor, you have no contribution generally, only warlike attitude and regrets about market.

What I mean ? Fans always participated in promotion and I won't lie about myself scared how you call me. I'm just considering that you have no right as the passive fan to flood internet demands how long Eurobeat must be released and what should producers do, especially these older. You don't struggle for good music, only for selfish needs.

This is egoistic, you assume that discovering Eurobeat on YouTube 20 years later than Japanese you can make a fuss, ask for everything and ignore the fact that world and people have changed and they will probably cease or limit the production.

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Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by sethreed » Jan 9th, '18, 18:18

para_rigby wrote:
Jan 9th, '18, 17:29
I think this thread needs to be locked at this point.
I agree.

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Re: Re: News of Dave Rodgers music

Post by Anthony McBazooka » Jan 9th, '18, 18:37

Crockett wrote:
Jan 9th, '18, 14:12
So please consider a few ways I described earlier. Maybe producers aren't ready, they have no willings, they prefer old small audience, the time and private life limit them only to keep the genre on old rules.
They do not prefer a small audience. They complain about having a too small audience that can't pay their expenses. But no one does the necessary steps to grow the audience, especially not the ones who are responsible for the marketing. The artists have almost no decision making in that game. And that is the whole problem. 'Nuff said, I'm out.
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